And as the Taliban – let me finish … David, if you let me finish … sorry, David, I will insist on finishing my answer. In the end, what we achieved in Afghanistan, we tried to give the country a try to be successful. Now, unfortunately, at the end of the day, when the Taliban forces rolled in, it was very clear that this state was unable to defend itself, and the question is: How long will the coalition forces stay in one place …? How many American, Australian and other lives will be committed to this purpose? Australia, USA, so many of us, we have many interests around the world and we also need to keep Australians safe and that is what we have been working to do. I would say this to all veterans, as John Howard has said, there is no hierarchy of victims or our Australian soldiers. Wherever they have fallen, they have fallen under our flag in our name and defended our values, and in each case they have died in a good cause, and that is the cause of Australia, and the values we stand for.
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