Hulk’s Shang-Chi placement hints at the Avengers’ ugly status in MCU Phase 4

Hulk’s location during Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings ‘post-credit scene reveals the Avengers’ dark status in MCU Phase 4.

The gloomy status of the Avengers in MCU Phase 4 is suggested by Hulk’s location in Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings‘post-credits scene. Destin Cretton and Simu Lius’ Marvel Studios films were mostly focused on its narrative, but it also established ties to the larger franchise. Aside from clarifying the truth about Mandarin’s true identity and the origins of the Ten Rings, it achieved this by presenting a lot of familiar faces from the larger universe, with Mark Ruffalo’s return as Bruce Banner arguably the biggest surprise.

As one of the remaining original Avengers members still in the MCU after the Infinity Saga, it was a pleasure for fans to see the Hulk incorporated into Phase 4. His performance came during Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings‘post-credit scene when Wong (Benedict Wong) invited Shang-Chi (Liu) and Katy (Akwafina) to Sanctum Santorum to interrogate them about the ten rings. Along with them via holograms were Captain Marvel (Brie Larson) and Banner – both looking noticeably different from their last appearances in MCU. Banner is somehow no longer the Smart Hulk, a persona he debuted in Avengers: Endgame as a middle ground between his two forms. While Marvel Studios has not yet given an answer regarding this mystery, a long-standing question about Banner’s cameo has recently been addressed.

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In a new interview, Weta VFX Supervisor Sean Walker — who worked on Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings‘post-credits scene – revealed that Banner was in his own lab during the meeting. This seems like a straightforward answer, but it also reveals the secretly gloomy status of the Avengers in MCU Phase 4, as it suggests that everyone is scattered and functioning on their own after Avengers: Endgame. As a founding Avengers member who has had the closest working relationship with Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), he should have moved into the Avengers facility in upstate New York and manned the headquarters the same way Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) did on the heels of Thanos’ snap. Natasha Romanoff’s decision to do this made it easy for the team to reunite five years later. Now, without anyone acting as a primary coordinator among the remaining MCU heroes, it would be much harder to get together if another threat were to come.



But what if the Hulk is not in Avengers HQ in Upstate New York because it still has not been fixed after being destroyed in Avengers: Endgame? This actually makes things worse, as it may mean that Earth’s Mightiest Heroes has no headquarters in the wake of Tony’s death. This suggests that they also do not have access to gadgets, weapons and any other resources that Stark and Stark Industries have given them before. Iron Man previously held these operational responsibilities for the team, ensuring that his fellow heroes had nothing to worry about but their mission at hand. But without him, it is uncertain who will take over this particular job.


Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) is busy with another mission as he works with The Scrolls in Space; in addition, he has long since grown from his role as Avengers’ main man. When Stark’s death was unexpected, it is possible that he did not leave clear instructions on how the team will be supported when he is no longer around. Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow) could continue her late husband’s involvement in the Avengers Initiative, but given her lack of involvement in Peter Parker’s (Tom Holland) suffering in Spider-Man: No Way Home, it’s possible she’s not keen on getting involved in the Avengers’ business – especially as a newlywed single mom with a large company to run.


With Avengers 5 still not officially confirmed, it may take a while before Marvel Studios gives a concrete update on the status of the Avengers in MCU Phase 4. This makes sense given that the franchise is currently in a transition period and is focusing on debuting new characters , as in Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings and smaller team-ups. However, based on the few indications so far, the Avengers are non-functioning and are separate, at least for now.

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